• Bogus007@lemm.ee
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        13 hours ago

        Why you are not sure about that? Honest question. What do you see positive in Russia considering its current threads towards EU members states, towards the continuous bombardo of civil buildings in Ukraine?

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          13 hours ago

          I never said any of that. I’m not sure at all Russia is less toxic than the US, especially right now. I think the US promised Russia no NATO creep toward their borders, and did exactly that. I think US toxicity and meddling has a lot to do with the position Ukraine finds itself in, currently.

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            13 hours ago

            But there was an agreement, which was signed even by Russia that, when Ukraine gives up their nukes, Russia will NOT attack Ukraine. Ukraine gave up their nukes, and we see the fruits of this. I also do not think that all the history around NATO is the main reason for Russias war against Ukraine. Already several times it was said that Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet power, just this time run by Russia and not the Soviet Union. Otherwise I do not understand why they are threatening to attack the Baltic states or Poland, which joined at a time when there was even no discussion about NATO thread or warnings from Russia. As said, this fits well in recreating the previous Russian influence with its satellite states than in any made up reason concerning the NATO.

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              12 hours ago

              Ostensibly, Russians in Ukraine were being treated very badly. I don’t have access to the Intel in that region, so I can’t really say. Hence, “I’m not sure.” I feel very badly for everyone in the region, and looking at history, and USA meddling, destabilizing countries and regions to maintain economic hegemony, so which is more toxic is hard to say. That’s all I said. Anything else is reading a whole other narrative into it.

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                6 hours ago

                You mean like the Ukrainians in Butcha or the many Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russians? It is that way that Russians were treated in Ukraine? I never heard about it, but perhaps RT has made a (pseudo-)documentary with paid actors out of it.

                I have known few Russians, and in my experience, they often move to a new country with little intention to integrate (we had and have still parallel societies with Russians in Europe). It is also of no surprise to me that the Russians in the Baltic countries and Ukraine (and also in some other European countries) have little intention to learn the language of the country, which is driven by nationalism, dominance, and pride.

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                  2 hours ago

                  I don’t know. I can tell you about a quarter- century 17-18 years ago, I knew one Ukrainian and one Russian, personally. The young Ukrainian gentleman identified very firmly as Russian, the young Russian gentleman identified as Russian. Both were very well-mannered, kind, and integrated very well. I still think very fondly of both of them, and hope they have settled somewhere away from the current madness and are leading fulfilling lives. They are good people.

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        4 days ago

        If you think what Trump says about Greenland is bad, you should hear what Russia keeps saying about the baltics and Poland.

        Russia is not being particularly secretive in their plans for a war with the EU.

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          2 days ago

          Russia will get their ass handed to them if they try taking on NATO, even without the US involved. The Ukraine invasion has made it very clear how degraded their capabilities are, and even more, how primitive their tactics are. And Russia’s fleet in the Baltic can’t do shit because of the Swedes and Finns joining NATO, and because Ukraine sunk most of the fleet using drones. Building warships is a long lead-time activity.

          And as for Poland, Germany will not tolerate that. And the Poles are a far more powerful state than Ukraine, and hate the Russians even more, if that’s even possible.

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            2 days ago

            That’s still no reason for us to give them money. We can’t negotiate with the BRICS as BRICS because every cent we give to Russia is a cent that Russia will use to to buy things to fire at us.

            They can’t win a war, but the way their regime is set they need to fight a war. And while they can’t win they can ruin many lives in losing.

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          4 days ago

          Ah American exceptionalism. Because P2025 would never, ever do such a thing.

          Djt is a puppet, dancing to the strings pulled by his puppet masters. He’s irrelevant, but as the curtain surrounding the wizards.