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O no half a billion dollars.

There’s no way one of the biggest and most profitable companies in human history won’t be able to financially recover from this horrific fine.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/10/apple-reports-fourth-quarter-results/

O wait they made 95 BILLION in just the last quarter of 2024?

Nevermind.

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It’s pretty incredible how third world are penal system is.

We incarcerate so many people in the United States that the incarcerated is basically a country in and of itself.

More importantly it’s just big business. Got to pay to make phone calls got to pay to send emails got to pay for food through the commissary. (Btw you pay per minute when making a call and per letter typed when making an email)

Someone is profiting off of it for sure.

Couple that with the fact that we emphasize punishment over everything else…

Prison should be a place for people that cannot function in society not necessarily for punishment. punishment for most crimes that people are in prison for can be handled outside of prison systems.

As someone who did time in the feds.

Such fond memories

/S

Ya! I know, I’m swimming in it right now!

If Apple were forced by law to manufacture iPhones exclusively in the U.S., they wouldn’t go under they’d adapt. They have the money (~$54B in liquidity), the brand loyalty, and the organizational muscle to pull it off.

There are ~7 million unemployed people in the U.S. plenty of potential labor, especially if Apple funds large-scale training and leans hard into automation. Would it be expensive? Absolutely. Costs would skyrocket. You’re probably looking at a $1,800–$2,000 iPhone. But guess what? People would still buy it.

They’d need 5–10 years to fully build out fabs, assembly plants, and domestic supply chains, but it’s feasible. TSMC is already building fabs in Arizona. Apple would just have to scale that approach to the rest of the production ecosystem.

Forced U.S. iPhone manufacturing wouldn’t kill Apple. It’d just make them the biggest American manufacturer since WWII.

The issue is like for every other major corporation in this country is that they’re just cheap bastards.

I work in the repair industry and what I tell all my clients when I do warranty work for them if it’s the difference between repairing their item or the CEO of the warranty company getting a new yacht it’s always going to be the yacht first.

No. No it doesn’t.

There are 7.1 million people unemployed in the US officially. Realistically that number is probably much, much higher.

You’re saying apple can’t hire a few hundred people to work on an assembly line?

If you offer good pay and good benefits at a decent working environment people will flock to assembly lines in the US. Christ they were basically invented here.

Of course it is. They want 1500 bucks for something with a few hundred dollars of overhead. R and d not withstanding they’ll want the same amount of profit for the phone if it’s made in America and profits have to increase year after year! They can’t make a little less profit they have to make more than before!

If the people who make llms are illegally acquiring copywrited material without paying for it then the creators of the llms should be held accountable by the authority figures that govern such crimes and infringments. Absolutely. That was never in question or a relevant point in this discussion.

You’re the one saying that copywrite shouldn’t exist and you should be able to use all and any material you wish for any reason at any time.

Insane American copywrite laws not withstanding copywrite generally protects the creators of their work from others profiting off of it.

You can make whatever art you want how ever you want. You just can’t make money on it or cost the owner anything by its production because it’s NOT YOURS! Why should you profit on something you don’t own?

Pirating not withstanding it has no relevance to this conversation.

That’s exactly what it is. But it’s not replicating the book to sell that same book to generate profit the author of the book won’t get.

It’s using the information in the book to generate its own data.

Are you aware of how llms work?

Right. So you also don’t understand what copyright is. Jesus. What is with you people.

“Copyright is a legal right that grants the creator of an original work exclusive control over its use and distribution for a limited time. This includes the rights to reproduce, distribute, display, and adapt the work. It protects literary, artistic, musical, and other creative works, preventing unauthorized use.”

I don’t understand what’s so confusing about this.

So you make an art music/picture/story and your friend comes around and makes the same art line I for line, word for word, color for color and makes a killing.

Too bad there wasn’t some kind of system in place that could have protected your art from intellectual theaft. But you’re right it course the company is hording it.

Yes. Thank you. You definitely don’t not only understand the difference between copyright and the freedom of speech you also fail to grasp simple concepts like freedom, commodity, and owned.

Not only that you invented a definition of your own to suit your needs to further your argument which you don’t even understand in its most fundamental state.

So you can be simply dismissed without any further adu.

Pretty sure you don’t understand the difference between copywrite and freedom of speech. But that’s ok.

No one is. That’s exactly the point.

Llms aren’t recreating copyrighted works. They’re drawing inspiration if you will. No copyright is being infringed.

Ya. These are the same people that continually try to take down Team Four Star for their satirization of DBZ because it made is actually better in many ways, from a country that has some of the worst satire and free use laws in the world.

Creators of copyrighted material in Japan can literally sue someone from making fun of their material.

Pardon me if I don’t take their crocodile tears seriously.

If you listen to the red hot chili peppers or watch a marvel movie or look at a DC comic and then go and make a song, movie, or painting inspired by the style of a certain creator that does not mean you have somehow violated those creators copyright. You don’t owe them any money because you took inspiration.

AI training on publicly available data does not infringe on copyright even if that data is somehow copyrighted.

And I know that many people on these kinds of platforms don’t like to hear this but the benefits of AI outweighs any potential legal issues copyright might entail.

Moreover, and I keep pointing this out over and over, you can’t have the same information free for individuals to use and have it paid for at the same time for corporations. You have to decide if you want that information free for all or for none.

Edit: yes yes. I know y’all don’t like these facts and yet they’re undisputed.

Ya. The ol’ “encouraging violence”. Pretty much the same thing as “national security”