Richard Wonka

@plyth arguing that fascism isn’t inherently bad is just not understanding what fascism is. … or you’re the fascist, then it wouldn’t be bad _for you_.

Human rights for all humans are not possible in a fascist society. By definition.

You are confusing a few things there.

@Saleh so your argument is:

Russia wanted other sovereign countries to do its bidding, but they didn’t comply.

Saying that’s NATO’s fault is the political equivalent for throwing your toys out the pram.

Saleh, you are disqualifying yourself from the discussion.

Other countries don’t have to comply with Russia’s wishes. And if they don’t, Russia still doesn’t get to invade them.

@Saleh
… and? Being neighbours with Someone like putin, why would anyone not want backing from other neighbours?

There has been zero Aggression from Ukraine towards Russia.

Russia just found a good enough excuse to continue its invasion into Ukraine.

The Russian land grab of Crimea doesn’t strike you as an act of overt aggression?

@Saleh I’m trying to think of an instance when NATO was used as an excuse for an invasion from any side other than Russia’s invasion by Ukraine.

The US have reliably made up their own excuses for their transgressions. I can’t currently remember them using NATO as an excuse.

I honestly don’t see how NATO membership is a threat.

Can it be construed as one? Surely - as much as one can find “weapons of mass destruction” when squinting hard enough. But that is then again not related to NATO.

@Saleh
You are conflating so many things that it’s hard to keep up.

The cold war was a different situation, but yes, the US are an international bully and will invade you for their own gain.

That doesn’t mean Russia has a right to invade any other country.

That doesn’t mean that Hungary has a right to install authoritarian rule when it signed into a fundamentally democratic EU.

Russia is breaking international law.

The US have been breaking international law.

Neither of those are ok.