We’re not forcing people to come here you know. Also the nordics are generally winning the “happiest country” award, so I don’t get why you think people here aren’t happy.
The decline in births is a global phenomenon. It’s down everywhere except Africa, parts of Asia and parts of South America. I think 1-2 countries in S.America and a few more in Asia.
Wouldn’t surprise me if countries will beg migrants to come in a decade or two.
I know the arguments. They sound reasonable. But if people get a year of vacation for making a baby, and they don’t make a baby every other year then something is really bad about rising children.
You think having a newborn is a “vacation”? Oh dear.
Having a baby is risky for a woman, physically, financially, emotionally. Perhaps the outlook of the world isn’t great either. Combine that with women realising that they have choices, that they don’t have to have children, and you get the decline.
Immigration allows the elite to avoid the consequences of their bad politics. If living conditions were good enough people would have children.
I don’t mind better politics or living conditions, but look at the nordics. Best places in the world to have a kid and we still can’t manage to have 2 kids per couple.
All three are vastly superior in most of the west compared to most of Africa, yet women in most, if not all, African countries have more kids than western women. Do you honestly think that’s because they’re happier? Women in Afghanistan have more babies than women in the nordics. Do you think it’s better to be a women in Afghanistan?
My argument
Your argument makes no sense. Living standards are abhorrent in Afghanistan and fantastic in the nordics, generally speaking. It’s not about the living standards.
No. But if you give women the choice you have to create the conditions that having a baby is the best option.
Assuming the freedom to choose, I don’t think those conditions exist. I think that people that want children will have them, and people that don’t won’t. I think the new normal is a lower nativity.
It is, if you give women the choice.
In countries where women get to choose, nativity goes down. In Bangladesh the nativity dropped with improved living standards.
There’s a great video about it.
You didn’t misunderstand but drew a conclusion. How happy are people if they don’t want to have children?
If they are not happy why draw people out of countries where they are happy to have kids and make them live in a society where people are less happy?
We’re not forcing people to come here you know. Also the nordics are generally winning the “happiest country” award, so I don’t get why you think people here aren’t happy.
The decline in births is a global phenomenon. It’s down everywhere except Africa, parts of Asia and parts of South America. I think 1-2 countries in S.America and a few more in Asia.
Wouldn’t surprise me if countries will beg migrants to come in a decade or two.
I know the arguments. They sound reasonable. But if people get a year of vacation for making a baby, and they don’t make a baby every other year then something is really bad about rising children.
You think having a newborn is a “vacation”? Oh dear.
Having a baby is risky for a woman, physically, financially, emotionally. Perhaps the outlook of the world isn’t great either. Combine that with women realising that they have choices, that they don’t have to have children, and you get the decline.
So the latter two can still be improved.
My argument
All three are vastly superior in most of the west compared to most of Africa, yet women in most, if not all, African countries have more kids than western women. Do you honestly think that’s because they’re happier? Women in Afghanistan have more babies than women in the nordics. Do you think it’s better to be a women in Afghanistan?
Your argument makes no sense. Living standards are abhorrent in Afghanistan and fantastic in the nordics, generally speaking. It’s not about the living standards.
No. But if you give women the choice you have to create the conditions that having a baby is the best option.
It is, if you give women the choice.
Assuming the freedom to choose, I don’t think those conditions exist. I think that people that want children will have them, and people that don’t won’t. I think the new normal is a lower nativity.
In countries where women get to choose, nativity goes down. In Bangladesh the nativity dropped with improved living standards. There’s a great video about it.
Why should there be a fixed border? Improve material and emotional conditions for families and that border will shift.
Conditions in Sweden are best and still not good enough. Of course they go down in other countries.