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Yeah but that’s what i’m saying, given that this same CDU is one of the two parties behind the coalition talks for banning far-right politicians. Only a sarcastic comment would suggest them to do a similar vote against bribery which would get rid of a lot of CDU politicians themselves. Why would they do that if they are corrupt, vote against their own interests?

So, then why suggest this at all? Clearly to steer the discussion away from the original topic - banning far- right politicians.

I do appreciate the info tidbit there that CDU are corrupt, but I don’t appreciate the distraction. Or that was my point, anyway.

I mean… to be fair. Could this work? Better open source and shit than closed source and shit, am i right…

I don’t think so, I think I made a point and then you are arguing a different point entirely.

My point is that having USA, as a RELIABLE partner who DOES NOT have this toxic side (the true face they are showing), would be more beneficial for Europe, than an USA that is working against us. It is quite impossible to have a healthy partnership with any country on earth and that being bad for us somehow. Granted, if its doesn’t make us too dependent on them. But I’m talking about a partner that WOULD NOT be like that.

There is just no way you disagree with that.

our efforts are best spent elsewhere

they are not, its not an either-or.

I’m not saying this shake-up is not good, I’m saying USA permanently not being an ally would be bad. Obviously we would want to be more independent and strong and less reliable, but that doesn’t mean we need to fight USA over greenland or have permanent trade wars with them or whatever.

I did. My point is that europe would be better off with USA as a reliable partner rather than whatever it currently is. Nowhere have I said that it means we need to somehow make it work with the current USA administration or that nothing has to change whatsoever. But in principle, it would be much better to have USA as a partner rather than as an enemy. I’m not even saying it is realistic right now, I am saying, in general, it would be better. And from that one sentence alone what you said, i’m pretty sure you agree. So you are just arguing against something I never said in the first place.

There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.

So you agree. What are we even talking about then?

Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let’s try to keep on track, please. I’m saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.

Also I don’t know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.

And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?

Of course there should be no inferiority and overreliance on them, it doesn’t mean that they are inherently bad for us. Europe needs partners that align with them. These are far right talking points.

Why on earth would we not want USA to be better, especially because historically they align with us greatly? I agree that Europe needs a wake up call, but USA and Europe not aligning would be terrible for both.

Yeah but clearly the original comment is ironic since it addresses CDU as corrupt. You know, one of the two parties that would be main drivers behind the suggested extremists banning?

Soo it kind of looks like whataboutism.

Yeah I figured it out eventually. My dumb ass thought initialIy that i need to write into that comment box on the initial page.

Yeah its quite echo chambery here

It seems so difficult to use though

No, I won’t.

10 mins? damn you guys are fast. it took me that time just to realize there is a document. edit: btw is that the actual feedback form? https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/EuropeanDemocracyShieldConsultation

It’s not really the same kind of media at all, depending on what you watch. I guess what I look for in YouTube are interesting perspectives, often on things I haven’t even considered. Maybe something like blogs could partially replace it, but I’m not aware of any blogging platforms that have tons of interesting perspectives and things to talk about and actually knows what to offer me. Isn’t blogging kind of dead?

I used to read books when I was younger, but I have serious attention issues with text-only stuff. And it’s straining on eyes.

Idk this whole thread confuses me. I’m on est.social instance, I’m gonna assume I see everyone who hasnt excluded my instance and vice versa…

Sorry what do you mean? I see users posting from other instances in my mastodon app (I haven’t used it much).