• plyth@feddit.org
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    2 days ago

    How easy is it to get housing for a family of 5? How is child care if a child is sick? How high is the expectation for women to lose weight after birth and look good?

    If people have 2 children but not 3 then something is missing. It could be that a third child is simply too expensive, even though almost all resources were bought for the first two children. It could be that parents are already too old and don’t want to lose more sleep. Maybe all TV shows just show two children.

    There must be a reason. Enumerating good conditions says not much about what is missing.

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      How easy is it to get housing for a family of 5? How is child care if a child is sick? How high is the expectation for women to lose weight after birth and look good?

      Housing obviously depends on where you want to live, but for the most part it’s accessible, and you get handouts from the government if your salary isn’t enough. Child care is free as I said, and you get paid if you need to stay home to take care of sick children. Not sure how to measure the expectation on women to look good, but I don’t think it’s a major factor in society.

      If people have 2 children but not 3 then something is missing. It could be that a third child is simply too expensive, even though almost all resources were bought for the first two children. It could be that parents are already too old and don’t want to lose more sleep. Maybe all TV shows just show two children.

      People aren’t having even 2 children, but for those that do have 3 or more, you get extra money from the government to cover extra cost.

      What I’m saying is that there are massive incentives for parents here, but people aren’t having children. We’re having more than other countries, but no where near enough. So we need immigrants.

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        2 days ago

        This is a material analysis. What do parents say why they don’t want more children?

        If Sweden is a society where people don’t believe in a better future I think it’s better to export the jobs instead of making more people live under those conditions.

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          Sweden has one of the highest living standards in the world, and you think we should let that go just to avoid immigration? I hope I misunderstood, because that’s just dumb

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            2 days ago

            You didn’t misunderstand but drew a conclusion. How happy are people if they don’t want to have children?

            If they are not happy why draw people out of countries where they are happy to have kids and make them live in a society where people are less happy?

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              We’re not forcing people to come here you know. Also the nordics are generally winning the “happiest country” award, so I don’t get why you think people here aren’t happy.

              The decline in births is a global phenomenon. It’s down everywhere except Africa, parts of Asia and parts of South America. I think 1-2 countries in S.America and a few more in Asia.

              Wouldn’t surprise me if countries will beg migrants to come in a decade or two.

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                22 hours ago

                I know the arguments. They sound reasonable. But if people get a year of vacation for making a baby, and they don’t make a baby every other year then something is really bad about rising children.

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                  You think having a newborn is a “vacation”? Oh dear.

                  Having a baby is risky for a woman, physically, financially, emotionally. Perhaps the outlook of the world isn’t great either. Combine that with women realising that they have choices, that they don’t have to have children, and you get the decline.