Kyiv has proposed to Moscow a new round of peace talks next week, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky said on July 19, hours after Russian strikes across Ukraine claimed more lives.
Kyiv has proposed to Moscow a new round of peace talks next week, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky said on July 19, hours after Russian strikes across Ukraine claimed more lives.
Would you say the same about your own country, if your neighboring countries would join a military alliance with Russia?
The western arrogance and ignorance to the fact that it is threatening for everyone outside NATO, is leading us to escalations time and time again.
If the alliance was based on defense, I would be totally fine with it. In the case of an attack from one of the member states to an other state, the retaliation doesnt count as an attack to the member state, so the pact won’t activate. Of course that depends on how the member states want to interpret the pact. The pact signals a certain closeness / likemindedness, but not forming a pact wouldn’t stop these states from supporting one another. So for me, any country anywhere in the world can not be against any defense pact of any set of countries, assuming the spirit of defense of the pact is being honored. Or do you think its naive to think a pact based on defense won’t be used for attacking?
This is the key point. Military people will never think that about any pact they arent part of.
The fact that Russia is so aggressive to it’s neighbors is pushing them to join NATO. Even Finland and Sweden joined, two proud independent countries felt they had no choice. That’s not western imperialism. Acting like NATO is powering this aggression is just projecting.
Again, NATO first violated the agreement with Russia by bombing Kosovo and then stationing missiles in Poland. This was 25 years before Sweden and Finland joined NATO
If that country signed a non-invasion treaty in exchange for nukes and then broke that treaty?
Sorry bub, Russia brought all this on itself. Having thoughtfully reconsidered, I recommend taking back the teddy bear and sending more Ukrainian drone and missile attacks instead. Ukrainian children can have the Teddy Bear.
Russian invaded after Ukraine NATO membership was touted as something NATO was positive about.
@Saleh
… and? Being neighbours with Someone like putin, why would anyone not want backing from other neighbours?
There has been zero Aggression from Ukraine towards Russia.
Russia just found a good enough excuse to continue its invasion into Ukraine.
The Russian land grab of Crimea doesn’t strike you as an act of overt aggression?
Again, i am not disputing Russian agression against Ukraine.
I am talking about the Russia aggression being the result of Western violations of Russian security interests, which woukd have played out the same way if roles were reversed.
In that sense Ukraine is also used by the West to fight with Russia for them, which is why most of the world perceives the war as a proxy war between Russia and NATO.
This doesnt justify Russias actions in the legal or moral sense, but it is cynical to ignore that this war is also the result of our provocations and violations towards Russia.
This brings us back to the starting point. Western arrogance and ignorance keeps bringing escalations all over the world.
Russia invaded Ukraine AFTER signing a treaty promising to never do so in exchange for nuclear weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–NATO_relations#Founding_Act
This is the broader context that needs to be considered. NATO violated the post cold war agreement, in particular by bombing Kosovo abd then stationing missiles in Poland. George Bush announcing full support for Ukraine and Georigia joining NATO was the red line for Russia.
And lets be real. If the roles were reversed we would all say that after hostile actions in countries bordering the direct border countries, these direct border countries joining into the mix, would have been a red line for us too.
If Russia had stationed missiles in Belarus and then Poland would have joined a Russia pact, things would have gone haywire. After all we love to complain about North Korean missiles, despite these being on the other side of the world.
Just always ask yourself, how you would perceive a situation, if roles were reversed.